Abby and Robbie Martin speak to Ian Goodrum of China Daily. During the course of their conversation they cover a whole range of issues frequently raised in the US like the ‘social credit system’, 5G, the COVID-19 lab leak theories and draconian surveillance. Ian also explains why he believes the hostilities between the United States have been growing, based largely on ruling class profit motivations, Obama’s ‘Asia pivot’ and Trump’s trade war.

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