Abby and Robbie Martin dive deep into the CIA assassination program during the Vietnam war known as the ‘Phoenix Program’ with writer and deep politics expert Douglas Valentine. After combing through the long and horrid history of CIA criminal activity and murder the discussion concludes with Douglas’ take on the idea of ‘Trump vs the Deep State’ and how it is a false paradigm that distracts the American people away from the *real* deep state.

Intro/Outro music: Shin Megami Tensei If… OST – Donyoku Kai

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