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	<title>Comments on: RT Anchor: If Missile Was Russian, It Shows Why Governments Shouldn&#8217;t Give Weapons To Militias</title>
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		<title>By: pauldavidtaylor</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 13:49:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At the onset of this conflict in Eastern Ukraine, several Ukrainian arsenals and bases were taken over by the Pro-Russian secessionists. In exchange for their safety, the Ukrainian military were given two options: join the secessionists or leave everything behind and go west.

This was trumpeted by both Western and Eastern-European media... Secessionists hailed it as a tremendous victory, Ukrainian forces were &quot;shamed&quot;, and the West watched on as secessionists did victory laps with their newly-captured armoured vehicles.

This should have been a clear enough sign that the secessionists were committed but not necessarily disciplined troops.

As the story now unfolds, with each side trading accusations (and wild theories like the auto-piloted plane that took off from Amsterdam full of corpses).

The press has been making a shitstorm of this, with politicians only making things worse. But while the western press like to polish political knobs and glamour things up - they are not prone to outright lying about the facts (in general, a few notable exceptions like Fox must be discarded) - something the Russian media has become an expert at.

We can only take everything we hear with a huge grain of salt. Expecting secessionists not to pour through the wreckage and the dead bodies is like telling a bunch of hungry children to &quot;behave&quot; at the table... good luck with that.

Whichever way this ends, the deaths - yes they happened - are unacceptable. No one asked if the ICAO had a risk assessment report in a drawer that should have diverted air traffic from the region, and no one asked how easy it would be to take a modern SAM battery and - without any formal training - target any aircraft at that altitude? There are several questions to be put forward that - when answered - will clear up this &quot;fog of war&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At the onset of this conflict in Eastern Ukraine, several Ukrainian arsenals and bases were taken over by the Pro-Russian secessionists. In exchange for their safety, the Ukrainian military were given two options: join the secessionists or leave everything behind and go west.</p>
<p>This was trumpeted by both Western and Eastern-European media&#8230; Secessionists hailed it as a tremendous victory, Ukrainian forces were &#8220;shamed&#8221;, and the West watched on as secessionists did victory laps with their newly-captured armoured vehicles.</p>
<p>This should have been a clear enough sign that the secessionists were committed but not necessarily disciplined troops.</p>
<p>As the story now unfolds, with each side trading accusations (and wild theories like the auto-piloted plane that took off from Amsterdam full of corpses).</p>
<p>The press has been making a shitstorm of this, with politicians only making things worse. But while the western press like to polish political knobs and glamour things up &#8211; they are not prone to outright lying about the facts (in general, a few notable exceptions like Fox must be discarded) &#8211; something the Russian media has become an expert at.</p>
<p>We can only take everything we hear with a huge grain of salt. Expecting secessionists not to pour through the wreckage and the dead bodies is like telling a bunch of hungry children to &#8220;behave&#8221; at the table&#8230; good luck with that.</p>
<p>Whichever way this ends, the deaths &#8211; yes they happened &#8211; are unacceptable. No one asked if the ICAO had a risk assessment report in a drawer that should have diverted air traffic from the region, and no one asked how easy it would be to take a modern SAM battery and &#8211; without any formal training &#8211; target any aircraft at that altitude? There are several questions to be put forward that &#8211; when answered &#8211; will clear up this &#8220;fog of war&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: John</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[John]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2014 11:03:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If Missile Was Ukranian, it is nevermind, that is ok?

What do the residents of the eastern part if they has daily bombing and a genocide against them?]]></description>
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<p>What do the residents of the eastern part if they has daily bombing and a genocide against them?</p>
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